By Nathan Barton
It is not a matter of “if” the formerly united States of America will break up into two, three, five, a dozen, or even fifty or more independent states, but when. Just as has been the case for nations and empires since the creation of the world, the USA will crack up, split up, and either have parts taken over by other countries, or form “new countries” from the pieces.
It may be the Polish model, where all the neighbors dice and slice and digest the various chunks, usually a small part at a time. Or it may be the Roman model where the big chunks fight each other for the juicy bits in easy reach of them all, while the jackals nibble on the fringes. Or it may be the British model where the various pieces are “voluntarily” allowed to go their own way, while the core gets smaller and smaller (and more and more arrogant, all too often). Or the Soviet model of the core imploding and everyone abandoning the sinking ship. Or the Spanish model of larger groups of colonies rebelling and then shattering again and again.
But whichever model it follows (or even if it creates its own unique version), the United States is doomed. Has been doomed. Since its beginning. Nothing human lasts forever. It all ultimately falls apart, decays, deteriorates, and crashes into the dustbin of history. It isn’t just the big nasty evil empires that go away, like Assyria and Egypt and Persia, nor just the small countries like Judah and Israel, those little Italian city-states, or the bishoprics and margravates of Germany. Or Irish kingdoms. Or, even, AmerIndian tribes.
So the question isn’t “if” and it really isn’t “how” or “why” but, “when.” When will the Fifty American States (and probably a lot of pieces of many of those: California, Florida, Texas, New York and Illinois all being prime candidates for continued fragmentation) and their people decide to blow it all off?
My first inclination is to say, “the sooner the better,” with the idea that a short, sharp, and rapid collapse will lead to a better outcome both short and long term. And also that we are nearing that collapse now, that it is only a matter of a few years away, a decade or less. That is my own hope of seeing (and perhaps even helping shape in some way) the successor(s) to follow. And of seeing my children live in more freedom and enjoying more liberty than any of us do now. I’d love to set a date; say, the sixth of November, 2018. (Or maybe the fifth. In 2018, Guy Fawkes day is Monday and elections will be on Tuesday the 6th.)
But as with the Second Coming the day and the hour will not, cannot, be known. And no conspiracy can possibly set an exact day and time when they can start the process, let alone actually trigger the “Final Collapse.”
But it really isn’t a date that answers the question, “When will the Fifty States break up?” or to put it another way, “When will the FedGov and our current system of government collapse.”
It is an attitude. The Break-up, the Collapse, will take place when the right attitude exists among enough of the people (mostly, people actually living in the Fifty States) to start the final stages of the process of collapse.
Despite all the stories we see and the warnings we hear, the Fifty States are very unlikely to fall to Foreign invasion and conquest. Virtually certain not to. The Fifty (as a group) are not going to be a 21st Century version of The Man in the High Castle; not going to suffer what the Low Countries and France did in 1940 or Germany and Japan “enjoyed” in 1945. Not even a version of what first Kuwait and then Iraq got in the 1990s. I believe that IJN Admiral Yamamoto was right. At present, and barring any fabulous breakthroughs in technology (or the arrival of very advanced and competent alies), even Hawaii would be a very tough nut to crack: the other 49 would be impossible. For now.
American collapse, American breakup, might have outside influence, even the massive invasion of armies either armed or like the mobs of migrants drowning Europe, as a contributing factor. But the driving force will be strictly internal.
And that internal force is very unlikely to be some conspiracy or some rebel movement like the Rebel Alliance of Star Wars, the various Irish movements for two centuries on the Emerald Isle, or the likes of a Bolshevik Lenin, a Mao, or a Castro. Or Heinlein’s vision found in The Moon is a Harsh Mistress.
Indeed, the trigger will not be pulled by any revolutionary cabal or council, or a man (or woman) on a white horse. No Adam Selene. No Mao. No Hitler.
Rather, it will be pulled by the FedGov itself. When will “America” collapse? When the FedGov does enough different things to damage its people, itself, so that enough Americans change their attitude and say “enough is enough.”
Not even “active” rebellion then. Few, if any, of us are likely to go get our squirrel guns (those evil AR-15s and Hi-Point carbines and SKSs) and go track down the politicians and their thuggish minions. It will rather be the simple “gandian” response (as Eric Frank Russell pointed out) of “Freedom = I Won’t.” Of “enough is enough.” People will simply refuse to continue playing the game, supported in their decision to quit by family, friends, and enough in the community to give them hope in the face of verbal abuse, physical abuse, arrest, detainment and death at the hands of the tyrants, their supporters, and people unable to understand what is really going on.
I pray that day will come very soon. Because enough is enough.
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Don’t know if I can remember that long an acronym: that’s even longer than NIMBY (Not in my backyard) and just as long as TEOTWAWKI (the end of the world as we know it)!
Is not a key point that socialists (both blue and red) – or controllers in general have reached a point where there is little or no logic to their positions? Where they are talking AT each other (and us) rather than TO each other? It seems that both sides (the old or mainstream parties) are now crazy as loons and willing to say and believe almost anything?
In reality, there is virtually NO problem that can be solved by voting. It is almost always based on “putting someone in charge” who is a controller and uses force (or the threat of force) to get things done.
My thanks to Locust Blog for reposting the “When will the Fifty States break up?” commentary.
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One of the best works on this subject is Thomas Chittum’s “Civil War Two”…in it he believes the country will fracture along racial lines….try this to read for free
https://archive.org/details/CivilWar2
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There are almost unlimited possibilities, and I choose not to dwell on the dystopia, the horror… but rather the potential for the survivors to create a new society of individuals living in peace and integrity, not discounting the reality that there will always be some who are evil and irresponsible. The key is not to let those few people assume control of the rest of us!
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Bravo MamaLiberty!!! 1000% Spot On, all points. Also 70YO’, hurry sundown while I still have the P!$$ & V!##!#$ to participate in the fracas. So few of us left with those practical skills (TET, ’68 – almost ashamed to acknowledge it, but so much wiser for the experience, horrible as it was). The story of the human race is the story of the battle between individual and the shake-down racket known as THE STATE. It is evil on its face. I suppose a decade will work for me – keepin all skills sharp and homed in the Great American Redoubt.
Blessing on your house young lady 🙂
A Fellow-traveler
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Thank you, so much. I feel especially sorry for children these days – and, of course, our threatened civilization. So many without honest parental guidance (some to the third and fourth generation), destructive government “education,” no meaningful ethics or principles being taught, no meaningful work experience and all of the terrible insanity of political correctness and other nonsense filling their hearts and minds. A recipe for complete disaster for those who cannot escape it.
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Disaster indeed, and unavoidable (IMO) I’m afraid. Distance from the dense population centers, rapid acquisition of “the old ways” of survival and subsistence, mastering the system of ‘separation in place’, and preparation for class 5 whitewater will facilitate survival of many, but not most. As stated on another blog, TINVOWOOT. The T-man has bought some time; 1, maybe up to 3 yrs, but certain diseases simply must run their course. My eldest (daughter) estimates we are well into Winter of The Fourth Turning. The best way to help the most is to lead by example – live life the way you know it should be life lived, and maybe the brighter bulbs on the tree will imitate.
The ministry of indoctrination will be held to account by some higher power (I hope) for the destruction of the rational faculties of several generations. It’s mission, the destruction of ‘reason’ has been accomplished. May they rot in whatever hell there might be!
Most disturbing is the absence of a new generation. I was one of nine, but only have 2. The nuclear family has been destroyed, so where will the babies for the next generation come from? The millennials want the orgasm, but not the fruit 😦 Bottom line, the european-based population will very few heirs. So will Islam inherit the West by default??? Scary thought. Never-the-less, a huge number of them will perish when TSHTF. Maybe more than the prepared???
The literature of societal collapse has much to offer – read, study, prepare.
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All we can do is our best. Personally, I think human kind will come through this and prosper eventually, but nobody knows when or how. And nobody can organize it or force it. The mess we have now is a direct result of those who thought they could control and direct the course of “society,” civilization, through force and fraud.
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Most of my life, I never could fully comprehend how Americans could slay each other in CW1. But I’m now seeing the possibility of history repeating. Spicy times are afoot.
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The war of northern aggression was incredibly bad, but I suspect the coming confrontation will be much, much worse. When large numbers of people find themselves starving, cold and unable to protect themselves meaningfully, all hell will break loose. I’m afraid that those in the big cities will be most vulnerable, and least able to cope with the breakdown of both society and the economy… Nobody is going to be willing to sit by and watch their families and friends starve to death. Disease and such things as large fires will be rampant, and there will be little or nothing anyone can do about it.
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Obama said there are 57 states?
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I didn’t “listen” to Obama at all – too deaf and not interested, and rarely read any mention of him or his gang… but I did hear about that comment. Proof positive that the average “voter” in America wasn’t paying attention to him either! 🙂
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Now Obama… he was TRULY “not my president.” Wayne LaPierre was my president during that tyrannical time.
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I don’t have or want any “president.” I own my life and am the only one responsible for it and my safety. That’s a tall order, especially for a 70 year old disabled lady, but that’s the way it is for me.
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If the choice is staying bound to a broken system of over taxation, multicultural invasions, and being associated in statehood by that cesspool California, as opposed to regional homogeneity and cultural kinship with my neighbors, I will take the latter. I expect the South will do fairly well in coming years; we live in a fertile area and know a thing or two about farming the land, hunting, self-defense, and neighbor helping neighbor. I will recall my service in the USMC and to the America I grew up in in the 1950s with some pride and a sense of loss, but my face will be turned to the future along with my fellow Southern compatriots.
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The key, Bill, is to have a choice! I think more and more people are at least starting to think about it, wondering if they can make other choices. They must first question their faith in the “authority” of this broken system. When that is more widespread, the choices will ultimately expand.
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i hope SOONER, rather than later, the leviathan implodes and breaks into pieces. we, as well as the remainder of the planet, will be much better off when this evil is gone. nary a day passes without stories and images of domestic and international crimes being inflicted upon humanity, even as those doing so arrogantly and pompously expect all to go along, conscience be damned.
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Welcome Kirk! Indeed, I too hope the implosion happens soon. Unfortunately, I fully expect most people on earth to suffer terribly for it, one way or another. Equally unfortunate, most people don’t seem to understand how they have enabled the tyranny, for one reason or another. Pure ignorance is bad enough, but a great many people have become used to living off other people and will not give that up easily. There is no guaranteed outcome, and probably no way to completely avoid the wars to come. But I truly believe that those in the big cities will suffer the most. Think of places like Calcutta, where the ordinary people are already suffering terribly. But it has to happen…
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Civility in America is long gone. Compare photos of bread lines during the depression to photos of the day the EBT cards failed.
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Much more than a matter of civility, I’m afraid. The lack of individual integrity and self responsibility is the key. People who believe they are entitled to what others have are not apt to be civil in any case.
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When the moral standard of the majority puts the individual’s reputation before all else is when those with a poor reputation will wither away. Accepting payment in stolen (tax) money for “working” a job that forces people to pay for things that they don’t want, does not make for a solid reputation.
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Amen to that, Ed. Welcome to The Price of Liberty. That moral reputation, however, won’t be the norm until most people accept their natural, unalienable authority over their own lives and property – which results in taking personal responsibility for their lives and safety; responsibility for all of their actions and choices. Nothing else will build that reputation.
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When a caricature of a business as a vampire squid sucking the blood from the face of humanity is repeatedly used in the media; when the operation of the firm tends to confirm that image by dispensing economic chaos and poverty to nations throughout the world; when their top executives testify under oath to Congress the image is essentially their business model; when they lie to Congress under oath; when prior appointment of personnel from the firm resulted in a $700 billion bailout of Wall Street (and saving the Treasury Secretary’s personal $500 million in Goldman stock), doesn’t prudence mandate that personnel from alternate firms be appointed to administer the fiscal operations of the United States government ?
Ref. http://farmwars.info/?p=15338 . A FACE FOR THE SHADOW GOVERNMENT
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What makes you thing the “new boss” will be different than the “old boss?” The system and powers will remain the same, no matter who is “elected.” Eliminate the system that gives some people power over others. This, of course, would require that all the people assume responsibility for themselves. Most, it seems, would rather the tyrants play musical chairs. 😦
When some people are given power over other people, against their will… tyranny is the inevitable result. No matter who holds that power over others.
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Is it not prudent to reject a “boss’ when it is determined that he/she has a lengthy resume of acts that destroy his clients as the victims of his exploitation ?
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Of course. 🙂 Why get another boss then? Same reason. The non-voluntary government cannot give anything unless it first steals it from someone else – and they “give” it first to themselves, of course. The only true purpose of the non-voluntary government is control, power over those who won’t or can’t fight it. Everything that people need to do can best be done as a part of individual responsibility, and through voluntary association and mutual defense. Why would anyone want a massive body of politicians and bureaucrats to steal from them and control their lives and property? People have put up with it for a long time, but I think the worm is turning. 🙂
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