Bob Livingston recently published a piece concerning one issue (not germane to this article) and as is often the case, the comments got way off track. One of the commenters took umbrage with Mr. Livingston’s attacks on public schools (an attitude I share), which I reproduce with all its grammar and other errors:
Mr. Livingston,
I, like you have no love for the “Patriot Act.” I was appalled that President Bush was able to use 9/11 to push this monstrosity through and furious when President Obama supported it’s continuation (ultra Liberal my A$$). I do, however take umbrage with your incessant attacks on our education system. I realize that the right has as one it’s goals to end Federal involvement or privatize anything and everything, but I disagree with the assumption that education would improve simply by getting it out of government hands.
I have worked with my children’s teachers for many years. I have graded and sorted papers, assisted children who were having trouble in a subject and provided a male presence when needed to keep some children in line. What I found was not a lack of ability or dedication on the teacher’s part. They work long hours for little money, the class rooms are underfunded to the point that teachers often have to buy supplies out of pocket, and the materials are often outdated. No, the problem lies with the students and their parents. Disrespectful children and parents who won’t even take the time to help their children learn their ABCs create a class room where a small group requires extra attention and extra resources. This is not often an issue in private schools where they have the option of kicking students out for their failures. Privatize all schools and they inherit this problem. End federal involvement and you eliminate the general guidelines, but the parents remain the same.
Respect for k-12 teachers has been on a steady decline, often prompted by the “Right Wing Talking Heads” and individuals like your self. Claims that they are all empty headed liberals is nons ense and the idea that their union demands are the source of our educational system’s troubles are clearly more a part of the attack on unions in general then a thoughtful discussion of how to fix our schools. It’s time for a thoughtful discussion on restoring respect in the classroom and how our schools are administered.220
The above is all too often the knee-jerk reaction of people who claim to be both smarter and more educated than all us libbertorian types. There were a few responses to “Kenetic”:
DaveH says:
How do you explain the “Honest” Abe Hoax, Kinetic? Did the kids just learn that at recess? To imagine that Government wouldn’t tout Big Government to the children in the Government-Controlled schools is just that — pure imagination.
Our “primitive” (at least according to the Progressive Propaganda) ancestors knew over 300 years ago the potential for indoctrination that existed when Government was allowed to control the schools. How have so many decent people come to believe otherwise?
Someone had to jerk Dave H’s chain, of course, and really stuck his foot in his mouth, showing (again) another example of exactly the point: government-run, tax-supported schools mean government propaganda. Government must promote the myths of Lincoln and the Roosevelts and secession and education run by the government.
eddie47d says:
In Dave H’s mind it always has to be Progressive propaganda or blame the Liberal and so forth. Lincoln was a Republican and most Republicans were and still are Conservative. If there is a history being sold on Abraham Lincoln it was brought to us courtesy of Republicans. Time for Dave to get a reality check for that history was written long before Progressive was a common word.
True, “eddie47d,” or before “socialist” or “communist” or even “libertarian” were common. Even Lincoln advocates will never claim that “Honest Abe” was a conservative. Hamiltonian, maybe, but not conservative. Fortunately, some other people provided at least a somewhat educated response.
CJ says:
Lincoln’s ‘Republican’ party is NOTHING like that of today. They are similar in name only. The activities of the 19th centruy party have more in common to the 21st century Democrats. I use the example of Lincoln forcing Tennessee to rejoin the union by only allowing citizens of the state who voted for him in his election, or would swear loyalty to him, to vote on rejoining. As mentioned, the education ‘system’ in the U.S. has biased the understanding of history in its favor, which is far from the facts.
Of course, anyone who REALLY sees the modern GOP for what it is: the party of Romney and McCain and Dole and Boehner and T. Roosevelt and A. Lincoln and R. Nixon, realized that the Republican Party hasn’t changed that much. And this little example of Tennessee is a footnote to the real history. As the next guy points out:
Sam Boes says:
There is an ironic reason the GOP color today is “red” on the maps. Lincoln, Fremont and the rest of the founders of the GOP before the War between the States were progressives and many of their number were Socialists who fled from the failed Socialist Revolutions in Europe in 1848: they came to America to get a new start – in promoting their ideals.
They did it in a way that gave the appearance of following traditional American politics, but THEY are the ones that turned many of the states which remained LOYAL to the Union into military dictatorships (Maryland, Illinois, Indiana, Ohio), THEY are the ones that precipitated the crisis and set up the temptation to hotheads in South Carolina to fire the first shots, THEY are the ones that set up the Indian Reservation system, THEY are the ones whose military occupation of the South poisoned black-white relations, THEY are the ones who created the first American empire of the Philippines and all the other conquests from Spain, and if not originating then tacitly supporting and not repealing the policies of Wilson, FDR, and Johnson. So don’t think that the real leadership – the elite – of the GOP today is anything remotely resembling “conservative” or even “American.”
Another mother had to support public schools – and again cites the propaganda about public schools that is so heavily pushed today (and for that matter, for the last fifty years):
CaroleAnn says:
I agree with you on the subject of education, public schools educated the majority of us during our country’s greatest times. I also disagree with privatizing everything, that only makes services out of reach to most people.
But the Patriot Act is too important to shove aside.
Sam Boes also had to respond to her and “Kenetic 1” both:
Sam Boes says:
Dear Kinetic 1:
Believe me, the “public schools” (government-run, tax-funded) are key parts of the transnational liberal agenda. My parents were both public school teachers and got out of the system when they could no longer teach the truth (and my mother was a MUSIC and ART teacher!, my father a social studies/history teacher) and when discipline and standards were destroyed. I myself taught as a substitute teacher while going to college (I was an Army Cadet and now am an Army officer): I’ve seen the deterioration for decades: my sons spent some time in public schools mostly to let them see the evil in it; they were schooled at home and in private schools so that they could LEARN. The school system we have today was imported from Prussia specifically to “make good citizens” which could be controlled by government and industry, but as Americans tend to do, we “improved it” to make it into a hideous system which both makes the student malleable and subject to control by their “betters” and effectively dumbs them down to the lowest possible common denominator. Teachers who stay in and support the system with its sickening (and intentional) flaws and results deserve no respect: either they are hypocrites or they are themselves products of the brainwashing they are now giving students and incapable of human reasoning. This especially goes for the teachers who claim to be religious.
Readers may not be so interested in this exchange as I was, but it shows that more and more people are rejecting the propaganda that has supported institutions that have destroyed this once-great nation. Institutions like the “Grand Old Party,” and “public schools” have infiltrated and wrecked homes, churches, communities, and towns and cities. Their work was always “an alternative” to the agendas of the Democratic and other “left” leaning parties and organizations, and the supposed dangers of ill-educated and nihilist mobs: but in reality, they were supporting just those kinds of things.
It is reported that new Texas curriculum standards encourage students at various ages to consider the Boston Tea Party (the original one in 1774, not the current libertarian Boston Tea Party or the GOP-oriented “conservative” Tea Party movement) to be an example of terrorism, and for American patriots seeking to regain and keep the “liberties of Englishmen” as terrorists. This is not the only deadly thing to come out of Texas schoolbook depositories (other than L. Harvey Oswald’s bullets): Texan educators and educrats are nearly as notorious as California’s for propagandizing and dumbing down the curriculum. But the truth is, virtually EVERY state does this, and the idea that Federal standards are the only reason to reject public schools and promote the separation of school and state is a dangerous weakness in the movement.
Libertarian Commentary on the News #12-49D: Comments on Commentaries and other news
Commentary on commentary: Unions – Home front
A Thanksgiving message in solidarity with Wal-Mart strikers
(Center for a Stateless Society, by Kevin Carson) “A wave of strikes by workers with no ties to any recognized union is a fundamental departure from the conventional model of unionism. But it’s also a return to an older model of organizing — updated for the network age. … This model of activism is just another example of the way agile networks run circles around twentieth century-style bureaucratic, hierarchical institutions like giant corporations and government agencies. Workers don’t need bureaucratic dinosaurs like the NLRB or AFL-CIO to protect them against big business. It’s big business that needs the state for protection.” (11/20/12)
Nathan: While I agree with much of what Kevin writes, it is obvious that Big Union has their fingers in this pie up to the elbows: their hatred of Wal-Mart is visceral and they have definitely spent millions to support this “grassroots activism.” Kevin is right: workers don’t need the AFL-CIO, but if this succeeds, you can bet that they will have the AFL-CIO whether they want it or not.
Commentary on commentary: War on some drugs, Government-run, tax-funded schools
We need to end the drug war!
(Liberty For All, by Mary J. Ruwart) “To save our children, we need to get drugs out of our schools. The only way to do that is to take the profit out through re-legalization. You don’t see pushers selling tobacco and alcohol in the schools because there isn’t the profit margin that prohibition brings. If we’re serious about saving our kids, we have to stop the pushers byslashing their profits.” (11/20/12)
Nathan: Mary is right, regarding drugs in schools, and re-legalization certainly will help with that (as much as ANYthing will help government-run, tax-funded schools that does not include separation of school and state). Of course, getting the “legal” drugs (like Ritalin and all its sisters) out of the schools won’t hurt.
BUT Mary is overstating her case, and that is bad.
YOU DO see “pushers” selling both tobacco and alcohol in the schools, middle schools AND high schools, and sometimes even elementary schools. We don’t call them that, but they are there, in large part because (1) they have a captive market, (2) schools are cesspools, and (3) there is prohibition and an underground economy as a result.
Drinking IS a problem for schools, as is smoking. And I would suspect in most rural Western and Southern American high schools, on buses heading to and from school and events, you will STILL find a bunch of “not-empty” soda cans with tobacco juice in them, just as you did in the ’60s and ’70s. These things you will always have with us, in part because we still have a partial alcohol and tobacco prohibition, one that is age-based. And in part because we have parents that refuse to accept responsibility, or allow/encourage their children to behave irresponsibly.
No, I am not advocating selling alcohol in schools or even offering beer on the lunch menu. And I am not advocating smoking in schools. But unless we recognize ALL the factors, we can’t deal with the problems. Government, and government-run, tax supported schools, are NOT the answer. And JUST getting drugs out of schools won’t “save our children” unless a lot of other things are done. Mary knows this, but she comes across a bit off message.
ON TO SOME OTHER NEWS:
Islamic wars: South Asian Front – War on religion
Pakistan: Blasphemy case against girl to be dropped
(Christian Science Monitor) “In what is being termed a historic verdict by the higher courts in Pakistan, charges against a Christian girl accused of blasphemy were dropped on Tuesday, in response to an appeal filed by her council of lawyers. ‘The police have withdrawn the charges and quashed the case against her’ confirmed Tahir Naveed Chaudhry, one of her lawyers, saying that the 14-year-old Rimsha Masih was quite relieved and happy about the court’s decision. Human rights activists in Pakistan say this is a positive development and will set a precedent in the future for the judiciary and law enforcement agencies to act responsibly in cases of blasphemy.” (11/20/12)
Nathan: This is, of course, good news that they are not going to execute a 14-year-old girl and make her a martyr for the faith. But she is actually in very great danger of being attacked and killed by those who will take the court decision as a personal affront and challenge, and if they DO succeed in killing her, you can be sure that either they will not be prosecuted or will have their hands slapped. This has happened time and again in Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Afghanistan, and Iran. As for it setting a precedent? Don’t hold your breath.
War on some drugs
Pat Robertson Advocates Making Marijuana Legal on 700 Club
(Daily Paul) Pat Robertson Advocates Making Marijuana Legal on 700 Club 2.5 million, 62% of prisoners in federal prisons are there for drug crimes. The highest rate of incarceration on earth. Even more are there for crimes which “need to be punished” but are NOT threats to the peace and security of the community. Billions are spent to lock up “people we are mad at.” Justice should be about restitution and not revenge.
Nathan: Robertson’s 9-minute video shows (as I’ve pointed out elsewhere) that “conservatives” are seeing the war on some drugs for what it is; a war on people and a war for control. I am no fan of Pat Robertson or The 700 Club, but he is talking a lot of sense.
Debby: He has had some sort of epiphany, clearly.
Mama’s Note: Interesting indeed… the TRUTH has never changed an iota, but suddenly we have all kinds of people jumping on the bandwagon (or hanging off the back). My impression of Robertson has always been that he’s happy to tell people what they really want to hear, one way or another. I doubt highly he has any honest convictions of his own.
Stupid People Tricks
PETA: Turkeys are a mistreated minority
(Political Outcast) They’re at it again, and this time the culprit is President Obama. The occasion is Thanksgiving and specifically the tradition of the president’s “pardoning” of a Thanksgiving turkey. … By pardoning the turkey, Obama will be sparing the bird’s life. So, what is PETA’s beef? They wrote a letter to the President urging him not to participate in this “outdated and humiliating ritual.” Humiliating to the turkey that is. They compared these “gentle, intelligent” birds to blacks, “gays,” women and other mistreated groups who PETA say are ridiculed and mocked. The letter stated:
”You understand so well that African-Americans, women, and members of the LGBT community have been poorly served throughout history, and now I am asking you to consider other living beings who are ridiculed, belittled, and treated as if their sentience, feelings, and very natures count for nothing.”
The letter went on to explain that birds can’t even be pardoned in the first place. They said that the only thing these turkeys were guilty of was “being born into a world of prejudice.”
They urged the White House to serve delicious “tofurky” instead of murdering the innocent but tasty bird.
Nathan: Oh, my. First, according to statistics, counting their wild ken, turkeys are NOT a minority: there is about 1 turkey produced (hatched and grown and hunted or harvested and EATEN) per person per year: we average 16 pounds per person per year eating it – and that of course does not include the MILLIONS of loyal PETA members and other vegetarians. PETA claims that their “very natures count for nothing,” and I MUST disagree: their nature is to be TASTY, and that counts for a lot. Fortunately, Thanksgiving comes after election day or the “messiah” might have been tempted to end the horrid ritual to get a few more PETA votes. As usual, PETA is a source of almost endless amusement.
Mama’s Note: “Tofurky?” That even sounds nasty.